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Kenichi Suzumura (Monday-Thursday) who is also active as a voice actor, actor Shigenori Yamazaki (Friday), and free announcer Hardcastle Elizabeth are the personalities of the TOKYO FM program “ONE MORNING”. At the “Lipovitan D TREND NET” broadcast corner on November 24th (Tuesday), we asked Ryosuke Kanba, Deputy Editor-in-Chief of BuzzFeed Japan News, about “Review and Evidence of” Go To Travel “”.

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Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga gave a lecture to business owners in Tokyo on Monday, November 23, following the spread of the new coronavirus, and the government’s tourism support project “Go To Travel” was operated. I asked for understanding that I decided to review it. The number of people infected by “Go To Travel” was limited to about 180, and he explained, “We received a proposal from an expert meeting and suspended new reservations for areas where the infection has spread considerably.” The same measures will be taken for the food and beverage industry support measure “Go To Eat.”

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Suzumura: What do you think about the government’s decision to review it?

Kanba: I generally agree with this matter. In the first place, “Go To” is that the spread of new coronavirus infection will proceed at “stage 2 or lower”, and in September (new coronavirus infection countermeasures) subcommittee also recommended that.

Unfortunately, Hokkaido, Tokyo, Osaka, etc. are approaching “Stage 3”, so I wonder if certain restrictions are unavoidable. Chairman Shigeru Omi of the subcommittee also said, “I sincerely ask for the government’s decision,” and I think that word is very heavy.

On the other hand, while being asked from the beginning, “Will it increase in the fall and winter?”, “At what stage will the government stop’Go To’?” “How much will it stop?” “Cancellation fee There is no such thing as “How do you pay for the payment?” Or “Let’s switch to alternative plan B” when that happens, and now I’m flirting with it. Was it possible to simulate? “

Suzumura: There are many opinions that “the movement there is slow”. Under such circumstances, Prime Minister Suga says, “Only about 180 people are infected by’Go To Travel'”, but there is a causal relationship between the current spread of infection, which is said to be the third wave, and the “Go To” relationship. Do you think

Kanba: Actually, Mr. Omi, chairman of the expert meeting, said, “There is no evidence that’Go To’is a major factor in the spread of infection.”

Suzumura: There is no evidence !?

Kanba: That’s right. There is actually a bit of a stumbling block to quitting when there is no evidence. If interpreted in a good way, it may be that it would be too late to respond after the evidence came out in an unspeakable and urgent situation, and of course it should be taken seriously. I think. If possible, I would like you to take measures against infectious diseases based on solid evidence. I think it was unavoidable this time, but I think it would be dangerous if the argument “I don’t have any evidence …” will be repeated in the future.

Suzumura: That’s right. I still feel that it is not good. If you say “no evidence” here, for example, you have to take proper infection prevention measures, I don’t know what the cause is, but now it’s bad, so don’t go out anyway … and so on. It feels like a goat (a substitute for shifting responsibility or distracting dissatisfaction or hatred).

Kanba: That’s right. Scapegoating, perhaps overstated, has had some sort of symbolic implication. For example, traveling alone or traveling to the suburbs with a family member living together is actually not as risky as a drinking party or dinner.

Now that the number of infected people is increasing, people are asked, “How about stepping on the accelerator and brake at the same time?”, And I wondered if he made a proposal in this way, emphasizing the psychological message. However, it is not good to proceed in an atmosphere. For example, a pachinko parlor was hailed as a spear ball earlier this spring and was criticized, right? But in reality, there was no talk of a lot of clusters at pachinko parlors, saying, “Then, what was that …”. If you decide to regulate because you are “suspicious” or “it looks like something is not good” without solid evidence, something like “miscarriage” will occur like at a pachinko parlor, or a lot of self-restraint police will come out. I don’t like that air reoccurring like that.

Suzumura: Shouldn’t we look at the numbers? It feels like a mixture of emotions and that.

Kanba: That’s right. That’s why I’ve been saying, “Corona and morality are dangerous to mix” since I became a corona wreck. Basically, regulation should be based on scientific and medical evidence. I think it is better not to mix “what” such as “pachinko in this emergency!”, “Travel!”, “Drinking party!” Even if it is 1 mm.

Suzumura: That’s difficult. Originally, “Go To” is a premise campaign to proceed in “Stage 2 or lower”, so I think that the idea that the guideline will be wrong if you do not stop in the current situation where you are approaching “Stage 3” is correct. The situation is changing every moment. In the absence of evidence that “Go To” is a major contributor to the spread of the infection, I have come to strongly feel that the economy should not be stopped.

Given that there are many people who stop now and suffer tremendous damage, is it okay to stop here now? I feel uneasy. Think about one step ahead of quitting “Go To”, such as another idea for the area you quit. It does not stop the economy and does not spread the infection. I feel that it is okay to live with a bigger idea of ​​how to move the economy.

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